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[I] LibraryThing [message #290494]

So, 25 Juni 2006 19:51

Julia Jones

My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too. One
of the toys it provides is a list of other people who have books in
common with you, and how many and which books they have. Strangely
enough, I see some names I recognise. :-) However, I'm fairly sure that
there are other people there who I know from here, but I haven't been
able to put LT nick to afp nick. Anyone want to 'fess up, the better
that I may stalk you?
--
Julia Jones
"We are English of Borg. Your language will be assimilated."

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290541 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 20:56

news0606

Julia Jones wrote:

> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
> networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too.

Indeed. Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard about it before.

> Anyone want to 'fess up, the better
> that I may stalk you?

MJSchuelke. As of now, there isn't much to see, though... I must dig out
that barcode scanner I still have in my basement :-)

Michael

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290571 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 21:31

Julia Jones

In article <MPG.1f08fac013fc3f359898ba [at] news.individual.de>, Michael J.
Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> writes
>Julia Jones wrote:
>
>> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
>> networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too.
>
>Indeed. Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard about it before.

Oh dear, I've infected someone. :-)

>> Anyone want to 'fess up, the better
>> that I may stalk you?
>
>MJSchuelke. As of now, there isn't much to see, though... I must dig out
>that barcode scanner I still have in my basement :-)

I've just (five minutes ago) added my 500th book to my catalogue after
about five or six weeks with an account, and I've been doing it all by
hand, so it *is* feasible, just slow. I haven't tagged everything, but I
have contributed some cover scans and reviews.

You see some interesting patterns in collections - and not surprisingly,
Pratchett books are among the more popular.
--
Julia Jones

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290607 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 22:25

Lister

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:51:19 -0700, Julia Jones
<julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
>networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too. One
>of the toys it provides is a list of other people who have books in
>common with you, and how many and which books they have. Strangely
>enough, I see some names I recognise. :-) However, I'm fairly sure that
>there are other people there who I know from here, but I haven't been
>able to put LT nick to afp nick. Anyone want to 'fess up, the better
>that I may stalk you?

That looks pretty cool. I'm afraid my attention span isn't up to
reading most books in the time that the library allows, though

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290617 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 22:39

news0606

Julia Jones wrote:
> You see some interesting patterns in collections - and not surprisingly,
> Pratchett books are among the more popular.
>
There's some strangeness in that database, though -- apparently, I'm the
only owner of "Carpe Jugulum. The twenty-third Discworld novel.",
whereas everyone else has "Carpe jugulum : a novel of Discworld".

How do I tell the system that it's really the same work?

Michael

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290637 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 23:08

Julia Jones

In article <MPG.1f0912f5cb6b601d9898bc [at] news.individual.de>, Michael J.
Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> writes
>Julia Jones wrote:
>> You see some interesting patterns in collections - and not surprisingly,
>> Pratchett books are among the more popular.
>>
>There's some strangeness in that database, though -- apparently, I'm the
>only owner of "Carpe Jugulum. The twenty-third Discworld novel.",
>whereas everyone else has "Carpe jugulum : a novel of Discworld".
>
>How do I tell the system that it's really the same work?

I haven't actually done this myself yet. I think you go to the book's
"book information" page, where you will find a "combine/separate works"
link.

That takes you to a full list of Terry Pratchett's books, where you can
select-by-checkbox the works you want to combine as different editions
of the same book. The green sidebar gives guidance as to what should be
combined. Select the ones to be combined, press the "combine button" and
it will give you a list of what ti thinks you want combined and ask you
to confirm. Which I have just done for Carpe Jugulum in the course of
finding this out. :-)
--
Julia Jones
Spindrift -- EPPIE 2006 finalist, 5 stars from JERR
Richard finds the truth in legend, when he finds a silkie bereft of
his skin and in need of a home... http://www.loose-id.net/detail.aspx?ID=138

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290640 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 23:13

Ailbhe

Michael J Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> wrote
(on Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:39:37 +0200):
> Julia Jones wrote:
> > You see some interesting patterns in collections - and not surprisingly,
> > Pratchett books are among the more popular.
> >
> There's some strangeness in that database, though -- apparently, I'm the
> only owner of "Carpe Jugulum. The twenty-third Discworld novel.",
> whereas everyone else has "Carpe jugulum : a novel of Discworld".
>
> How do I tell the system that it's really the same work?

ISBN.

A.
Go on, guess my LT username, go on...

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290661 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 23:58

news0606

Ailbhe wrote, quoting me:

> > How do I tell the system that it's really the same work?
>
> ISBN.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me -- I entered the book
by its ISDN; apparently, there were two entries with the same ISBN,
*which really shouldn't happen*. Someone apparently forgot the UNIQUE in
the field definition.

Michael

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290662 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 23:59

Daibhid Ceannaideach

The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Julia Jones <julia.jones [at] gmail.com>

> In article <MPG.1f08fac013fc3f359898ba [at] news.individual.de>,
> Michael J. Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> writes
>>Julia Jones wrote:
>>
>>> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing
>>> and social networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly
>>> addictive it is too.
>>
>>Indeed. Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard about it
>>before.
>
> Oh dear, I've infected someone. :-)

More than one someone. I catalogued all the Discworld and my
Doctor Who New Series novels. Then I got bored, and I'll come
back to it later.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290667 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 00:05

news0606

Michael J. Sch=FClke wrote:=20
> I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me -- I entered the book=20
> by its ISDN; apparently, there were two entries with the same ISBN,=20
> *which really shouldn't happen*. Someone apparently forgot the UNIQUE in=
=20
> the field definition.=20

Following up to myself, since I just encountered the same problem with=20
Catch-22: apparently, leading zeros make a difference in the ISBN, which=20
they shouldn't.=20

Michael

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290706 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 01:32

Eric Jarvis

Daibhid Ceanaideach daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com wrote in
<Xns97EDE9DC752FFdaibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>:
> The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: Julia Jones <julia.jones [at] gmail.com>
>
> > In article <MPG.1f08fac013fc3f359898ba [at] news.individual.de>,
> > Michael J. Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> writes
> >>Julia Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing
> >>> and social networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly
> >>> addictive it is too.
> >>
> >>Indeed. Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard about it
> >>before.
> >
> > Oh dear, I've infected someone. :-)
>
> More than one someone. I catalogued all the Discworld and my
> Doctor Who New Series novels. Then I got bored, and I'll come
> back to it later.
>

Whereas I logged what I have by Terry Pratchett, Robert Rankin, Mary
Gentle and Samuel Delany. It may be a while before I've more than
scratched the surface.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290711 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 02:26

news0606

Julia Jones wrote:
> That takes you to a full list of Terry Pratchett's books, where you can
> select-by-checkbox the works you want to combine as different editions
> of the same book. The green sidebar gives guidance as to what should be
> combined. Select the ones to be combined, press the "combine button" and
> it will give you a list of what ti thinks you want combined and ask you
> to confirm. Which I have just done for Carpe Jugulum in the course of
> finding this out. :-)
>
Thanks a lot.

Just to point out *how* addictive this is, I have just reached the 200
book limit for free accounts, some three hours after starting -- and
that includes a half-hour of rummaging through the basement, and quite a
bit of combining and clean-up...

If anybody wants to borrow the barcode scanner once I'm done, let me
know.

Michael

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290726 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 03:03

Julia Jones

In article <MPG.1f094816d322ee7d9898c2 [at] news.individual.de>, Michael J.
Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> writes
>Julia Jones wrote:
>> That takes you to a full list of Terry Pratchett's books, where you can
>> select-by-checkbox the works you want to combine as different editions
>> of the same book. The green sidebar gives guidance as to what should be
>> combined. Select the ones to be combined, press the "combine button" and
>> it will give you a list of what ti thinks you want combined and ask you
>> to confirm. Which I have just done for Carpe Jugulum in the course of
>> finding this out. :-)
>>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Just to point out *how* addictive this is, I have just reached the 200
>book limit for free accounts, some three hours after starting -- and
>that includes a half-hour of rummaging through the basement, and quite a
>bit of combining and clean-up...

I started playing with a free account to see whether it actually suited
my cataloguing needs - and half an hour later I realised that it suited
them so well that I might as well give up and buy a full account *now*
instead of waiting until I actually hit 200 books...
--
Julia Jones

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #290753 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 06:05

Arthur Hagen

Michael J. Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> wrote:
> Michael J. Schülke wrote:
>> I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me -- I entered the
>> book by its ISDN; apparently, there were two entries with the same
>> ISBN, *which really shouldn't happen*.

Some publishers have re-used ISBNs from out-of-print books for newer books,
usually because government agencies take too long to issue new series, and
they can't stop selling books while waiting for the paper shufflers. I hope
that hasn't happened to Terry Pratchett, though.

> Someone apparently forgot the
>> UNIQUE in the field definition.
>
> Following up to myself, since I just encountered the same problem with
> Catch-22: apparently, leading zeros make a difference in the ISBN,
> which they shouldn't.

Also beware that not all EAN bar codes include the ISBN. This is especially
true for cheaper books, where the part of the EAN that normally would be the
ISBN might be something else, which can reoccur for different titles. If
the EAN doesn't specify "ISBN" under or next to it, look inside the book to
double-check. The ISBN should be on the title page.

Regards,
--
*Art

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291069 ]

Mo, 26 Juni 2006 22:52

raltbos

"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote:

> Michael J. Schülke <news0606 [at] mjschuelke.de> wrote:
> > Michael J. Schülke wrote:
> >> I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me -- I entered the
> >> book by its ISDN; apparently, there were two entries with the same
> >> ISBN, *which really shouldn't happen*.
>
> Some publishers have re-used ISBNs from out-of-print books for newer books,

Then they're breaking the rules and should have their wrists slapped
hard. There's some pretty good reasons why ISBNs should be unique for
all time.

> > Someone apparently forgot the
> >> UNIQUE in the field definition.
> >
> > Following up to myself, since I just encountered the same problem with
> > Catch-22: apparently, leading zeros make a difference in the ISBN,
> > which they shouldn't.
>
> Also beware that not all EAN bar codes include the ISBN.

They should from next year on, though.

Richard

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291116 ]

Di, 27 Juni 2006 02:00

Arthur Hagen

Richard Bos <raltbos [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
> "Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some publishers have re-used ISBNs from out-of-print books for newer
>> books,
>
> Then they're breaking the rules and should have their wrists slapped
> hard. There's some pretty good reasons why ISBNs should be unique for
> all time.

Yes, indeed they should be unique, and there should be a reaction, but the
second part of my sentence after the comma makes it less clear that it's the
publishers that should be punished:

>> usually because government agencies take too long to issue new series,
>> and they can't stop selling books while waiting for the paper shufflers.

If there's no unused numbers, the alternative would be to release books
/without/ ISBNs, which would be worse.

>> Also beware that not all EAN bar codes include the ISBN.
>
> They should from next year on, though.

That's good news. Now we need a law against book stores glueing their price
stickers over the EAN because their register system is incompatible. At
least that they use stickers that come easily off, as opposed to being
impossible to get off without ruining the cover -- it's apparently
deliberate to prevent would-be-swindlers from swapping stickers on books.

Oh, and by the way, anyone saying "ISBN number", "EAN number" or "EAC code"
please report to the readjustment computer for readjustment.

Regards,
--
*Art

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291144 ]

Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:27

redtiger

"Julia Jones" <julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:RThikTGX0snEFwQi [at] jajones.demon.co.uk...
> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
> networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too. One of
> the toys it provides is a list of other people who have books in common
> with you, and how many and which books they have. Strangely enough, I see
> some names I recognise. :-) However, I'm fairly sure that there are other
> people there who I know from here, but I haven't been able to put LT nick
> to afp nick. Anyone want to 'fess up, the better that I may stalk you?
> --

And your nick is?
I tried julia jones, julia and jones. No luck.

Anthony

--
Light is faster than sound.
That's why people seem bright until you hear them speak.

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291158 ]

Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:56

Julia Jones

In article
<44a0a58a$0$6620$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, redtiger
<redtigeriiSPAM [at] iinet.net.au> writes
>
>"Julia Jones" <julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:RThikTGX0snEFwQi [at] jajones.demon.co.uk...
>> My current shiny is LibraryThing, an online cataloguing and social
>> networking system for bibliophiles, and jolly addictive it is too. One of
>> the toys it provides is a list of other people who have books in common
>> with you, and how many and which books they have. Strangely enough, I see
>> some names I recognise. :-) However, I'm fairly sure that there are other
>> people there who I know from here, but I haven't been able to put LT nick
>> to afp nick. Anyone want to 'fess up, the better that I may stalk you?
>
>And your nick is?
>I tried julia jones, julia and jones. No luck.

Apologies - it's under my terribly secret profic pseudonym, which a lot
of folk hereabouts already know, so I didn't think to mention it. Try
julesjones (and you will see the little yellow "LT Author" Badge on my
profile).

I finished cataloguing the cookbooks' bookcase today. There are enough
of the blighters that they have an entire 24"x48" Billy to themselves. I
seem to have tagged 52, and that doesn't include the little booklets
handed out by various condiments companies and the photocopies. I have
to stop buying the things...
--
Julia Jones
Spindrift -- EPPIE 2006 finalist, 5 stars from JERR
Richard finds the truth in legend, when he finds a silkie bereft of
his skin and in need of a home... http://www.loose-id.net/detail.aspx?ID=138

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291162 ]

Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:03

redtiger

"Julia Jones" <julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OBTFAbSgpLoEFw7L [at] jajones.demon.co.uk...
> In article <44a0a58a$0$6620$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> redtiger <redtigeriiSPAM [at] iinet.net.au> writes
>>
>>"Julia Jones" <julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:RThikTGX0snEFwQi [at] jajones.demon.co.uk...
>>> My current shiny is LibraryThing, >>
<snip>

>>And your nick is?
>>I tried julia jones, julia and jones. No luck.
>
> Apologies - it's under my terribly secret profic pseudonym, which a lot of
> folk hereabouts already know, so I didn't think to mention it. Try
> julesjones (and you will see the little yellow "LT Author" Badge on my
> profile).

You know, I actually looked at that one as a possible match. I then skipped
the 'about me' section which was a dead giveaway, and discounted it from the
first two lines in the 'about my library' section. That'll teach me to skim
read.

Anthony

--
Light is faster than sound.
That's why people seem bright until you hear them speak.

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #291305 ]

Di, 27 Juni 2006 18:19

Anke

Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com wrote in
> <Xns97EDE9DC752FFdaibhid [at] 130.133.1.4>:
> > The time: 25 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> > speaker: Julia Jones <julia.jones [at] gmail.com>
> >
> > > Oh dear, I've infected someone. :-)
> >
> > More than one someone. I catalogued all the Discworld
> > and my Doctor Who New Series novels. Then I got
> > bored, and I'll come back to it later.
>
> Whereas I logged what I have by Terry Pratchett, Robert
> Rankin, Mary Gentle and Samuel Delany. It may be a
> while before I've more than scratched the surface.

I started with Pratchett, most of the rest of my English
books, and a bit of my Elfquest collection...
I guess until I can spare some money to sign up I'll just add
those I buy from now on, and add the rest when I don't have
to stop at 200...

Anke (<- that's also my username at LibraryThing)

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #292456 ]

Mi, 28 Juni 2006 20:21

Jens Ayton

Arthur Hagen:
>
> Oh, and by the way, anyone saying "ISBN number", "EAN number" or "EAC
> code" please report to the readjustment computer for readjustment.

On alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe, we call this PNS[1] Syndrome.

[1] PIN Number Syndrome.

--
\\\\ Jens Ayton, Fratello di Vetinari 36.3636363636364% insane
\\\\\__, Bringing sarcastic one-liners to the common hedgehog since 1999
\\\\\`/

Re: [I] LibraryThing [message #292457 ]

Mi, 28 Juni 2006 20:23

Daibhid Ceannaideach

The time: 28 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Jens Ayton <UGPTDOVVSNIT [at] spammotel.com>

> Arthur Hagen:
>>
>> Oh, and by the way, anyone saying "ISBN number", "EAN
>> number" or "EAC code" please report to the readjustment
>> computer for readjustment.
>
> On alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe, we call this
> PNS[1] Syndrome.
> [1] PIN Number Syndrome.

New Scientist calls it Recursive Acronym Syndromw (RAS
Syndrome).

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #292547 ]

Do, 29 Juni 2006 01:55

Flesh-eating Dragon

Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Jens Ayton wrote:

>> On alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe, we call this
>> PNS[1] Syndrome.
>> [1] PIN Number Syndrome.
>
> New Scientist calls it Recursive Acronym Syndromw (RAS
> Syndrome).

I think you must be getting something confused here. A recursive
acronym is something entirely different, e.g.

"Tamara" stands for "Tamara And Miaralti Are Recursive Acronyms"
"Miaralti" stands for "Miaralti Is A Recursive Acronym Like Tamara Is"

I suspect the word New Scientist used was "redundant" or something.

Adrian.

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #292555 ]

Do, 29 Juni 2006 02:24

Jens Ayton

8'FED:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach:
>>
>> New Scientist calls it Recursive Acronym Syndromw (RAS
>> Syndrome).
>
> I think you must be getting something confused here. A recursive
> acronym is something entirely different, e.g.
>
> "Tamara" stands for "Tamara And Miaralti Are Recursive Acronyms"
> "Miaralti" stands for "Miaralti Is A Recursive Acronym Like Tamara Is"
>
> I suspect the word New Scientist used was "redundant" or something.

Those are mutually recursive acronyms. A plain recursive acronym is one
like GNU = GNU's Not Unix. It's entirely possible New Scientist abused
the term, though.

--
\\\\ Jens Ayton, Fratello di Vetinari 36.3636363636364% insane
\\\\\__, Bringing sarcastic one-liners to the common hedgehog since 1999
\\\\\`/

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #292560 ]

Do, 29 Juni 2006 02:39

Flesh-eating Dragon

Jens Ayton wrote:
> 8'FED:

>> I think you must be getting something confused here. A recursive
>> acronym is something entirely different, e.g.
>>
>> "Tamara" stands for "Tamara And Miaralti Are Recursive Acronyms"
>> "Miaralti" stands for "Miaralti Is A Recursive Acronym Like Tamara Is"
>>
>> I suspect the word New Scientist used was "redundant" or something.
>
> Those are mutually recursive acronyms. A plain recursive acronym is one
> like GNU = GNU's Not Unix. It's entirely possible New Scientist abused
> the term, though.

1. Why be plain when you can be mutual? Why cite copper as an example
of a metal when you can cite gold? Why cite orange juice as an
example of a drink when you can cite whisky?

2. Are you /sure/ it stands for "GNU's Not Unix"? It is the apostrophe
and the 's' that I am calling into question here. My understanding
is that it stands for "GNU, Not Unix". (Much like "GNU, As Opposed
To Unix" - GAOTU - but more succinct.)

Adrian.

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #292597 ]

Do, 29 Juni 2006 05:43

Arthur Hagen

8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
> 2. Are you /sure/ it stands for "GNU's Not Unix"? It is the apostrophe
> and the 's' that I am calling into question here. My understanding
> is that it stands for "GNU, Not Unix". (Much like "GNU, As Opposed
> To Unix" - GAOTU - but more succinct.)

Not that you'll see it, but I think most people would have checked the
easily accessible gnu.org web site before posting speculation about what the
name stood for:

http://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html

Or, if you prefer the unrevised version from '85 for authenticity:
http://groups.google.com/group/net.micro/msg/0df9ab5ff21cc13 4

(It's also funny to read Brad Templeton's response, where he predicts GNU to
fail and then proceeds to call Richard Stallman a fanatical communist. Ah,
those were the days...)

--
*Art

Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #292707 ]

Do, 29 Juni 2006 18:55

Daibhid Ceannaideach

The time: 29 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au>

> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

>> New Scientist calls it Recursive Acronym Syndromw (RAS
>> Syndrome).
>
> I think you must be getting something confused here. A
> recursive acronym is something entirely different, e.g.

Darn, you're right. I *thought* it didn't sound right, but
remembered it was *something*...

> I suspect the word New Scientist used was "redundant" or
> something.

So it was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

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Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #293530 ]

Fr, 30 Juni 2006 12:03

CeltiKaos

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:55:09 +0000, Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> So it was.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

See any distribution of Linux for recusive acronyms. GAMBAS for example
GAMBAS Means Almost BASIC.

There are many others :)
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Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #293535 ]

Fr, 30 Juni 2006 12:20

Brenda

CeltiKaos said:

<snip>
>
> See any distribution of Linux for recusive acronyms. GAMBAS for example
> GAMBAS Means Almost BASIC.
>
> There are many others :)

Two of my favourites (both are text editors):

EINE (which stands for "EINE Is Not EMACS")

and

ZWEI (which stands for "ZWEI Was EINE Initially")

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Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #293554 ]

Fr, 30 Juni 2006 12:41

Daibhid Ceannaideach

The time: 30 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid>

> CeltiKaos said:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> See any distribution of Linux for recusive acronyms.
>> GAMBAS for example GAMBAS Means Almost BASIC.
>>
>> There are many others :)
>
> Two of my favourites (both are text editors):
>
> EINE (which stands for "EINE Is Not EMACS")
>
> and
>
> ZWEI (which stands for "ZWEI Was EINE Initially")

Apparently the third generation was called "ZMACS". They
should have called it "DREI's Really EINE III" or something...

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Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #293898 ]

Fr, 30 Juni 2006 19:41

alec

In article <cPKdna4W3ZJLZznZRVnytg [at] bt.com>, invalid [at] invalid.invalid
says...
> CeltiKaos said:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > See any distribution of Linux for recusive acronyms. GAMBAS for example
> > GAMBAS Means Almost BASIC.
> >
> > There are many others :)
>
> Two of my favourites (both are text editors):
>
> EINE (which stands for "EINE Is Not EMACS")
>
> and
>
> ZWEI (which stands for "ZWEI Was EINE Initially")

Going back a bit further, the DEC RT-11 manual had a command MUNG which
was an acronym for Mung Until No Good. It called up the editor in some
particularly destructive mode.

Re: [I] Redundant and Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #293982 ]

Sa, 01 Juli 2006 05:11

Flesh-eating Dragon

Richard Heathfield wrote:

> Two of my favourites (both are text editors):
> EINE (which stands for "EINE Is Not EMACS")
> and
> ZWEI (which stands for "ZWEI Was EINE Initially")

Simple recursive acronyms are best modelled as:

f() {
f(), z();
}

which isn't a terribly interesting example of a recursive algorithm.

f
fz
fzz
fzzz
fzzzz

That's why I came up with an example better modelled as:

f() {
f(), z(), g(), z();
}

g() {
g(), z(), f(), z();
}

which is a little more exciting.

f
fzgz
fzgzzgzfzz
fzgzzgzfzzzgzfzzfzgzzz
fzgzzgzfzzzgzfzzfzgzzzzgzfzzfzgzzzfzgzzgzfzzzz

Adrian.

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #296955 ]

Fr, 07 Juli 2006 21:55

raltbos

"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

> Jens Ayton wrote:
> > 8'FED:
>
> >> I think you must be getting something confused here. A recursive
> >> acronym is something entirely different, e.g.
> >>
> >> "Tamara" stands for "Tamara And Miaralti Are Recursive Acronyms"
> >> "Miaralti" stands for "Miaralti Is A Recursive Acronym Like Tamara Is"
> >>
> >> I suspect the word New Scientist used was "redundant" or something.
> >
> > Those are mutually recursive acronyms. A plain recursive acronym is one
> > like GNU = GNU's Not Unix. It's entirely possible New Scientist abused
> > the term, though.
>
> 1. Why be plain when you can be mutual? Why cite copper as an example
> of a metal when you can cite gold? Why cite orange juice as an
> example of a drink when you can cite whisky?

There's a difference between those, which is that copper and gold are
equally simple examples, as are orange juice and whisky; whereas
mutually recursive acronyms are more complex than a simple one, needing
one more example acronym and an extra level of indirection. That makes
them possibly more interesting when you already know what a recursive
acronym is, but not as good as an explanatory example.

> 2. Are you /sure/ it stands for "GNU's Not Unix"?

Quite sure.

Richard

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #297017 ]

Sa, 08 Juli 2006 04:50

Flesh-eating Dragon

Richard Bos wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>> Jens Ayton wrote:
>> > 8'FED:

>> >> "Tamara" stands for "Tamara And Miaralti Are Recursive Acronyms"
>> >> "Miaralti" stands for "Miaralti Is A Recursive Acronym Like Tamara Is"
>> >
>> > Those are mutually recursive acronyms. A plain recursive acronym is one
>> > like GNU = GNU's Not Unix.
>>
>> 1. Why be plain when you can be mutual? Why cite copper as an example
>> of a metal when you can cite gold? Why cite orange juice as an
>> example of a drink when you can cite whisky?
>
> There's a difference between those, which is that copper and gold are
> equally simple examples, as are orange juice and whisky; whereas
> mutually recursive acronyms are more complex than a simple one, needing
> one more example acronym and an extra level of indirection. That makes
> them possibly more interesting when you already know what a recursive
> acronym is, but not as good as an explanatory example.

I don't know about that. If you cite whisky as a drink, one might get
the impression that a drink has to be alcoholic - so it's more complex
in the sense that it contains additional properties to those required.
I think the only potential confusion in citing a mutually recursive
acronym is of the same order, but that is traded for a better chance
of provoking a "Hey, cool!" reaction and thus more of an interest in
the subject.

Ideally, the concepts of "recursion" and "recursive algorithm" should
be introduced before "recursive acronym", but they weren't the topic,
and I reckon Daibhid is more likely than not aware of them.

Adrian.

Re: [I] Recursive acronyms // was LibraryThing [message #297059 ]

Sa, 08 Juli 2006 13:35

Daibhid Ceannaideach

The time: 08 Jul 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au>

> Ideally, the concepts of "recursion" and "recursive
> algorithm" should be introduced before "recursive acronym",
> but they weren't the topic, and I reckon Daibhid is more
> likely than not aware of them.

Although this might have opened the possibility of a recursive
explanation...

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